The People of the State of Michigan - - - (Complainants)

VS

William Shimmel - - - (Defendant)

Frank Griswold

†††††††††† Cross Examination

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CROSS EXAMINATION BY MR. PARK.

 

 

Q

Did he have anything with him when he was in the saloon?

A

I donít understand you.

 

 

Q

Was he carrying anything with him?

A

Not that I know of, I didnít notice anything.

 

 

Q

Had you been in that saloon in the forenoon that day?

A

Yes, sir.

 

 

Q

How many saloons are there in Nunica?

A

Two.

 

 

Q

Had you been in the other one that day too?

A

Yes, sir.

 

 

Q

Were you there in the forenoon?

A

I think I was

 

 

Q

What time of day was it when you were there in the forenoon?

A

I couldnít tell you that.

 

 

 

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Q

Seven oíclock in the morning?

A

No, not quite so early I guess.

 

 

Q

What time do you usually get over there?

A

Well it is according to what I go for.

 

 

Q

You usually go to get something to drink donít you?

A

If I go to get something to drink I go early; if I donít, I donít go.

 

 

Q

What is your business?

A

I am running that hotel there at Nunica.

 

 

Q

Were you in the other saloon in the forenoon?

A

Yes, sir.

 

 

Q

What time of day was it when you were in the other saloon?

A

I couldnít tell you.

 

 

Q

You donít know whether it was eight oíclock or twelve oíclock.

A

No, it wasnít twelve I donít think.

 

 

Q

Did you look at your watch that forenoon to see what time it was?

A

Yes, sir.

 

 

Q

During the forenoon on that day?

A

Well I generally do, I canít remember whether I did then or not.

 

 

Q

And what time was it when you looked at your watch?

A

What - - in the forenoon?

 

 

Q

In the forenoon, yes, sir.

A

I couldnít tell.

 

 

Q

Do you know what time you got up that morning?

A

Yes, sir, I generally get up betwixt four and five.

 

 

Q

Four or five in the morning.† Do you get up that early every morning?

A

As a general thing I do.

 

 

 

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Q

What time does the saloon open?

A

Well I doní know, they calculate to open at six oíclock I believe.

 

 

Q

Have ou a bar in connection with your hotel?

A

No, sir.

 

 

Q

How far is the saloon from your hotel?

A

Oh one of them is about twenty rods I guess.

 

 

Q

How far is the other one?

A

About I should think, forty rods.

 

 

Q

On April 23rd 1906 who owned the two saloons at Nunica?

A

Mr. Haas owned one of them and Mr. Zimmer owned the other.

 

 

Q

Which one was the closest to your place?

A

Mr. Haas.

 

 

Q

What saloon was it you say you saw Shimmel in?

A

Mr. Zimmers

 

 

Q

How far is that from your place of business?

A

About forty rods.

 

 

Q

That is the closest?

A

No.

 

 

Q

The furtherest one?

A

Yes, sir.

 

 

Q

How many times during the afternoon of April 23rd were you in that saloon?

A

Once.

 

 

Q

You say someone came up to you and asked you what time it was?

A

No, sir.

 

 

Q

A man asked what time it was?

A

No, sir.

 

 

 

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Q

How do you know it was 3:30 then?

A

I said there was a man asked me to take him to Spoonville and I looked at my watch to see what time it was.

 

 

Q

Did he say what time he wanted to get to Spoonville?

A

No, sir, I told him I would go right down and hitch up and take him.

 

 

Q

Do you remember what time it was when you got to Spoonville if you went over there?

A

No, I didnít look.† Probably about a quarter after four.

 

 

Q

How far is that from Nunica?

A

About two miles and a half.

Q

Did you immediately after 2:30 when this man asked you - -

 

†† MR. COBURN:† (Interrupting)†† 2:30?† He said 3:30.

 

†† THE WITNESS:† 3:30

Q

(Continuing)† Go over and hitch up your horse?

A

Yes, sir.

 

 

Q

Then you drove over there two miles and a half?

A

About that.

 

 

Q

How long did it take you to hitch up your horse that day?

A

It would take me about five minutes.

 

 

Q

Then you started to take the man over?

A

Yes, sir.

 

 

Q

And you got over there about 4:15?

A

Somewheres about that time, I couldnít tell exactly.

 

 

Q

What time was it when you returned to Nunica?

A

Oh it might have been a quarter to five.

 

 

Q

It took you longer to go than it did to come back?

A

I had a little more room.† I was in a hurry to get back.

 

 

Q

What kind of a vehicle did you drive over there?